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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by jonathan weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on what you mean by "conceptual analysis".  Both Stich and Nichols think that _something_ that might plausibly have that name is ok, if it is just a chapter in empirical psychology, that is, a chapter on how people (maybe different people in different ways) happen to go about categorizing the world.  But that's going to look very different from any traditional philosophical conception of "conceptual analysis".  You don't learn anything at all with any modal, metaphysical, and/or normative force from such investigations, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what you mean by &#8220;conceptual analysis&#8221;.  Both Stich and Nichols think that _something_ that might plausibly have that name is ok, if it is just a chapter in empirical psychology, that is, a chapter on how people (maybe different people in different ways) happen to go about categorizing the world.  But that&#8217;s going to look very different from any traditional philosophical conception of &#8220;conceptual analysis&#8221;.  You don&#8217;t learn anything at all with any modal, metaphysical, and/or normative force from such investigations, for example.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Andrew Cullison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cullison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Regarding:
"But at no point are experimental philosophers (or at least the most of experimental philosophers) advocating for the abandonment of conceptual analysis. Generally, they are only advocating the use of experimental methods to compliment conceptual analysis."

Where do you think someone like Stich fits into this? He strikes me as one of the philosophers that's really spear-heading this movement, and much of what he writes doesn't seem to have the conciliatory, harmonious compromise you suggest. 

For example, here is a link to a paper on his website - it's the most recent paper a back and forth between him and Sosa
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~stich/Publications/Papers/REPLY%20%20to%20%20SOSA%20-%20web.doc

That said - Stich is not Knobe or Nichols - so it's not fair to pin his views on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Regarding:<br />
&#8220;But at no point are experimental philosophers (or at least the most of experimental philosophers) advocating for the abandonment of conceptual analysis. Generally, they are only advocating the use of experimental methods to compliment conceptual analysis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where do you think someone like Stich fits into this? He strikes me as one of the philosophers that&#8217;s really spear-heading this movement, and much of what he writes doesn&#8217;t seem to have the conciliatory, harmonious compromise you suggest. </p>
<p>For example, here is a link to a paper on his website - it&#8217;s the most recent paper a back and forth between him and Sosa<br />
<a href="http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~stich/Publications/Papers/REPLY%20%20to%20%20SOSA%20-%20web.doc" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~stich/Publications/Papers/REPLY%20%20to%20%20SOSA%20-%20web.doc');" rel="nofollow">http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~stich/Publications/Papers/REPLY%20%20to%20%20SOSA%20-%20web.doc</a></p>
<p>That said - Stich is not Knobe or Nichols - so it&#8217;s not fair to pin his views on them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not quite sure I am seeing the puzzle here.

Philosophers, as conceptual analyst, many times make claims about what some given person would surely say about a given scenario. However, experimental philosophers see these type of claims as being empirically testable claims (which they clearly are). As an empirical claim, the experimentalist simply prefers to test these claims rather than simply stipulate that the claims are true. 

Experimental philosophers are generally also interested in exploring what sorts of mechanisms produce some given intuition and what sorts of individual difference factors, if any, may be able to systematically account for intuition variations. 

Identifying the mechanisms, traits, and processes involved in intuition production and intuition variation seem to have obvious potential benefits for identifying the reliability of certain intuitions (via the reliability of the mechanisms).

But at no point are experimental philosophers (or at least the most of experimental philosophers) advocating for the abandonment of conceptual analysis. Generally, they are only advocating the use of experimental methods to compliment conceptual analysis.

I think more directly to your claimed principles that the experimentalist is committed to, I think it may be more accurate (though far from perfectly so) to restate them as follows:

1. Intuitions that come from sources S are unreliable and tend not to reliably yield knowledge because they are unreliable.
2. Intuitions that have been empirically confirmed to come from sources S should be suspect.
(Let S be whatever sources the experimental philosophers take to be suspect)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not quite sure I am seeing the puzzle here.</p>
<p>Philosophers, as conceptual analyst, many times make claims about what some given person would surely say about a given scenario. However, experimental philosophers see these type of claims as being empirically testable claims (which they clearly are). As an empirical claim, the experimentalist simply prefers to test these claims rather than simply stipulate that the claims are true. </p>
<p>Experimental philosophers are generally also interested in exploring what sorts of mechanisms produce some given intuition and what sorts of individual difference factors, if any, may be able to systematically account for intuition variations. </p>
<p>Identifying the mechanisms, traits, and processes involved in intuition production and intuition variation seem to have obvious potential benefits for identifying the reliability of certain intuitions (via the reliability of the mechanisms).</p>
<p>But at no point are experimental philosophers (or at least the most of experimental philosophers) advocating for the abandonment of conceptual analysis. Generally, they are only advocating the use of experimental methods to compliment conceptual analysis.</p>
<p>I think more directly to your claimed principles that the experimentalist is committed to, I think it may be more accurate (though far from perfectly so) to restate them as follows:</p>
<p>1. Intuitions that come from sources S are unreliable and tend not to reliably yield knowledge because they are unreliable.<br />
2. Intuitions that have been empirically confirmed to come from sources S should be suspect.<br />
(Let S be whatever sources the experimental philosophers take to be suspect)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Andrew Cullison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cullison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John,

That post was very informative. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Schwitzgebel would go with Joshua's first interpretation of the the first passage above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John,</p>
<p>That post was very informative. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but it looks like Schwitzgebel would go with Joshua&#8217;s first interpretation of the the first passage above.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by John Turri</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Turri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar issue came up &lt;a href="http://fleetwood.baylor.edu/certain_doubts/?p=872" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Eric Schwitzgebel indicates how he thinks X-philosophers should handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar issue came up <a href="http://fleetwood.baylor.edu/certain_doubts/?p=872" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/http://fleetwood.baylor.edu/certain_doubts/?p=872');" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Eric Schwitzgebel indicates how he thinks X-philosophers should handle it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Andrew Cullison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cullison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joshua,

I think I like your first interpretation best. 

Regarding the second interpretation, I suspect they do think their position is rational, and I suspect that they are offering what they think is a good motivation for their position (even for them).

Regarding the third interpretation, that's certainly a possibility - I would have liked to see (even perhaps in a footnote where to go in the reader to find it).

Back the first interpretation - this is what I thought they might have in mind - but then it's interesting to note that experimental philosophy isn't the radical shake-up movement that some of the really enthusiastic experimentalists trumpet. In fact, it's something I'd probably be on board with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joshua,</p>
<p>I think I like your first interpretation best. </p>
<p>Regarding the second interpretation, I suspect they do think their position is rational, and I suspect that they are offering what they think is a good motivation for their position (even for them).</p>
<p>Regarding the third interpretation, that&#8217;s certainly a possibility - I would have liked to see (even perhaps in a footnote where to go in the reader to find it).</p>
<p>Back the first interpretation - this is what I thought they might have in mind - but then it&#8217;s interesting to note that experimental philosophy isn&#8217;t the radical shake-up movement that some of the really enthusiastic experimentalists trumpet. In fact, it&#8217;s something I&#8217;d probably be on board with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are a couple of charitable ways to take the passage.  First, one might point out that they do not say that we should not use intuitions unless the reliability of the source of those intuitions has empirical supported.  They say only that an experimental philosopher will conduct experiments whereas a conceptual philosopher will not.  They also say that the best way to determine which processes generate which intuitions is to go out and gather empirical date.  This is consistent with the claim that an experimental philosopher may also rely on intuitions and that, although it may not be ideal, the reliability of those intuitions may lack empirical support.  

But, suppose that they do accept the core commitment that you've suggested they may be touting.  One might take this passage as an ad hominem.  Perhaps they are trying to elicit in you whatever it is that you take to be an intuition in support of their position.  They might then say that insofar as you believe that intuitions are a decent source of justification, you should accept their position.  

Finally, perhaps they think they do have the empirical support for the reliability of the intuitions that generate their beliefs.  They are just not presenting that empirical support in the first few pages of their new reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are a couple of charitable ways to take the passage.  First, one might point out that they do not say that we should not use intuitions unless the reliability of the source of those intuitions has empirical supported.  They say only that an experimental philosopher will conduct experiments whereas a conceptual philosopher will not.  They also say that the best way to determine which processes generate which intuitions is to go out and gather empirical date.  This is consistent with the claim that an experimental philosopher may also rely on intuitions and that, although it may not be ideal, the reliability of those intuitions may lack empirical support.  </p>
<p>But, suppose that they do accept the core commitment that you&#8217;ve suggested they may be touting.  One might take this passage as an ad hominem.  Perhaps they are trying to elicit in you whatever it is that you take to be an intuition in support of their position.  They might then say that insofar as you believe that intuitions are a decent source of justification, you should accept their position.  </p>
<p>Finally, perhaps they think they do have the empirical support for the reliability of the intuitions that generate their beliefs.  They are just not presenting that empirical support in the first few pages of their new reader.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Dennis Whitcomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Whitcomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds right to me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds right to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experimental Philosophy by Justin Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I'm just not well-versed enough in X-Phil, but (assuming that the passages you've given are verbatim) it looks like what they wrote in the second passage--"...it seem to us that empirical considerations can be relevant here; it seems to us just obvious that empirical considerations are relevant...--is nothing more than a seeming that appears obviously true to the authors. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I've always thought that when we refer to intuitions, we're referring to "some seeming, S, such that S appears to us to be, on the face of it, obviously true."

But if that's the case, then I agree with you completely. If you're being uncharitable, someone needs to straighten two people out now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m just not well-versed enough in X-Phil, but (assuming that the passages you&#8217;ve given are verbatim) it looks like what they wrote in the second passage&#8211;&#8221;&#8230;it seem to us that empirical considerations can be relevant here; it seems to us just obvious that empirical considerations are relevant&#8230;&#8211;is nothing more than a seeming that appears obviously true to the authors. Correct me if I&#8217;m mistaken, but I&#8217;ve always thought that when we refer to intuitions, we&#8217;re referring to &#8220;some seeming, S, such that S appears to us to be, on the face of it, obviously true.&#8221;</p>
<p>But if that&#8217;s the case, then I agree with you completely. If you&#8217;re being uncharitable, someone needs to straighten two people out now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Safety in Fake Barn Country by Andrew Cullison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cullison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,
I am. I just sent you an email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,<br />
I am. I just sent you an email.</p>
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